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[smeagle]

its not about letting the fans dictate, that's to the other extreme but don't tell me you dont feel the arrogance that comes out of the nova care center where it seems the team acts like they are smarter then everyone else.

to prove i'm not just ranting and that the team should just let the fans run the team i iwll give you one instance where i think the front office was right not to listen to the fanbase, when people were screaming for the team to get rid of mcnabb in '06. i think they were 100% right to keep him until they did and probably got the best deal they could've for him.

[smeagle]

also, let me add that i don't place jeff lurie in this dicussion. i aim my angst at that weasel banner. to me lurie is a very good owner.

[TheDuke]

Originally Posted by smeagle

even when the fans are right ? thats brilliant.

- the fans begged for better wr's for years before TO was brought in

- the fans screamed for reid to use the run more/better in his gameplans

- the fan have screamed for better lb's

- the fans pleaded with the team to keep dawkins

thats just four examples.

what do you think may have happened if the front office listened to the fans ?

this fanbase while loud and obnoxious at times is very very smart and knows the game of football.

1. I'll give you the WR's thing. They didn't want to pay for WR's and it would have been nearly impossible to get anyone in here that wasn't great. They brought in TO and got burned. They brought in Kevin Curtis who played decently when he wasn't broken. Now we have Maclin who has proven he's a stud when he's on and some potential for the future. Maybe even Jackson won't be a bitch and will resign but I HIGHLY doubt it. I'll give you this one.

2. In 2001-2005 it was 80-20 Pass/Run. Now it's about 60/40. Reid has gotten MUCH better at this but needs to understand the whole run in the red zone thing.

3. Again, we have talented LB's. But they all super under perform. Jamar Cheyney, Brian Rolle and Akeem Jordan are MEGA talented. Issue is our DC is an offensive guy. They completely over valued Matthews which fucked us but yes, we need a STUD Lb in the middle to run that D on the field.

4. Dawkins signed with the Broncos before the team was able to make an offer in what he wanted. Dawkins bolted and didn't look back. There was NO WAY that the Eagles should have matched the contract the Broncos gave him. Not this teams fault in any way.

5. Don't call this fan base "intelligent." They booed McNabb when the team didn't draft Ricky Williams instead and then had the gaul to continue to boo him. Without McNabb this team wouldn't have been nearly as good as they were with him. If he had retired after last season you could argue for a HOF bid in the future. The Vikings/Redskins fiasco assured that'll never happen. But this fan base for the most part, not including most of us on the board as giant dipshits. It's proven by those who say Juan Castillo should be a ball boy. He's helped a TON with this Oline. Unfortunately he's not a defensive guy

This off season they went out and signed guys to sure up a defense that was ABYSMAL last year. Aso sucked b/c he was misused but Babin and Cole have been COMPLETE STUDS. This D, if used correctly could have been one of the best in the NFL. Let's wait until next Christmas and then revisit this whole conversation and see where we are.

[ball in the baskett]

Originally Posted by smeagle

its not about letting the fans dictate, that's to the other extreme but don't tell me you dont feel the arrogance that comes out of the nova care center where it seems the team acts like they are smarter then everyone else.

to prove i'm not just ranting and that the team should just let the fans run the team i iwll give you one instance where i think the front office was right not to listen to the fanbase, when people were screaming for the team to get rid of mcnabb in '06. i think they were 100% right to keep him until they did and probably got the best deal they could've for him.

Another is when fans wanted ricky williams over mcnabb. I guess they are a bit arrogant because of there win percentage since around 2000 so they think they know what there doing.

[smeagle]

there's so much wrong with this post.

Originally Posted by DragonitesWhore

1. I'll give you the WR's thing. They didn't want to pay for WR's and it would have been nearly impossible to get anyone in here that wasn't great. They brought in TO and got burned. They brought in Kevin Curtis who played decently when he wasn't broken. Now we have Maclin who has proven he's a stud when he's on and some potential for the future. Maybe even Jackson won't be a bitch and will resign but I HIGHLY doubt it. I'll give you this one.

maclin isnt the same wr he is without jackosn on the field. call jackson a bitch all you want and it's warranted to a point but the eagles dicked him over. how do you tell a diva that you'll get a new deal done if the guy comes to camp and then when he does you spend $4mil on steve smith instead of even talking to the agent ? how do you expect anything different than you got from jackson attitude wise ? didnt they learn from TO ?

btw - jackson leads the team in receiving yards for the forth straight season. he and maclin are a perfect pairing along with avant.

2. In 2001-2005 it was 80-20 Pass/Run. Now it's about 60/40. Reid has gotten MUCH better at this but needs to understand the whole run in the red zone thing.

huh - the pass/run ration was never 80/20. ever. it was bad but not that bad. his ratio has gotten better but he still has issues when he runs and doesn't. how much longer do we have to wait for him to get it right ?

3. Again, we have talented LB's. But they all super under perform. Jamar Cheyney, Brian Rolle and Akeem Jordan are MEGA talented. Issue is our DC is an offensive guy. They completely over valued Matthews which fucked us but yes, we need a STUD Lb in the middle to run that D on the field.

mega talented ? holy fucking shit.

4. Dawkins signed with the Broncos before the team was able to make an offer in what he wanted. Dawkins bolted and didn't look back. There was NO WAY that the Eagles should have matched the contract the Broncos gave him. Not this teams fault in any way.

wrong, they did make an offer, even banner has stated so, it was laughable and dawkins said the way the team went about things was insulting (something westbrook, trotter and others have agreed with) so when he got an offer from the broncos he did not give the eagles another chance to talk to him.

5. Don't call this fan base "intelligent." They booed McNabb when the team didn't draft Ricky Williams instead and then had the gaul to continue to boo him. Without McNabb this team wouldn't have been nearly as good as they were with him. If he had retired after last season you could argue for a HOF bid in the future. The Vikings/Redskins fiasco assured that'll never happen. But this fan base for the most part, not including most of us on the board as giant dipshits. It's proven by those who say Juan Castillo should be a ball boy. He's helped a TON with this Oline. Unfortunately he's not a defensive guy

wow, you bring up 30 dipshits and act as if they are represenative of a million people. you sound like a typical national media person that has no idea what goes on in this city. mcnabb for most of his career was treated fine here.he didn't get treated any differently then any other athlete here that continually choked in big situations. castillo looked great as an oline coach when he had guys like runyan, thomas & pre-coco andrews. the oline struggled bigtime after that including last year. mudd wouldve gotten much more out of last years group just like he has with these guys. but again you want to paint the fanbase as whole as dipshits based on a caller on WIP while you call the team's LB's mega talented and claim the pass/run ratio was 80/20.

This off season they went out and signed guys to sure up a defense that was ABYSMAL last year. Aso sucked b/c he was misused but Babin and Cole have been COMPLETE STUDS. This D, if used correctly could have been one of the best in the NFL. Let's wait until next Christmas and then revisit this whole conversation and see where we are.

abysmal ? they were ranked 12th overall last year, they are currently ranked 8th. they still have the same redzone issues that killed them last year. yeah they got talent and misused it but hey they'll get it right eventually so i should just shut up.

see, every god damn year this is the type of discussion we have because the season ends on a sour note. how much fucking longer do we have to wait for this crew to get it right ? am i being impatient because after 13 god damn years i'm fed up ?

[smeagle]

Originally Posted by ball in the baskett

Another is when fans wanted ricky williams over mcnabb. I guess they are a bit arrogant because of there win percentage since around 2000 so they think they know what there doing.

again with these 30 fans.

most wanted a qb because we had duce staley already.

great the eagles are the regular season champs since 2000. thats why they play the games right ?

[ball in the baskett]

Originally Posted by smeagle

again with these 30 fans.

most wanted a qb because we had duce staley already.

great the eagles are the regular season champs since 2000. thats why they play the games right ?

No but i wouldent down play it that we have been a pretty good team just havent been able to win the big one. Something has to put this team over the hump eventually and idk if firing andy is whats gonna do it. I was on board with firing andy earlier this year but i was just pissed that we were losing. Give andy one last year now that the team is coming together just get a real d cordinator. When u have alot of new players come in it takes atleast a season for them to gel.

[smeagle]

Originally Posted by DragonitesWhore

2. In 2001-2005 it was 80-20 Pass/Run. Now it's about 60/40. Reid has gotten MUCH better at this but needs to understand the whole run in the red zone thing.

i had to look into this because your claim was so far out in left field.

run/pass ratio

01 - 44/56
02 - 47/53
03 - 46/54
04 - 40/60
05 - 37/63
06 - 43/57

i dont want to call you a dipshit like you seem to be all so quick to call the rest of the fanbase when a couple morons make stupid statements but maybe you should do some fact checking before you make statements like you did here.

[smeagle]

Originally Posted by ball in the baskett

No but i wouldent down play it that we have been a pretty good team just havent been able to win the big one. Something has to put this team over the hump eventually and idk if firing andy is whats gonna do it. I was on board with firing andy earlier this year but i was just pissed that we were losing. Give andy one last year now that the team is coming together just get a real d cordinator. When u have alot of new players come in it takes atleast a season for them to gel.

nobody has down played the team's success in the regular season but it's been 13yrs of coming up short and there is only ONE common donominator on the team - reid. he's already going to be here next year. i have excepted that and i hope beyond hope he finally pulls it together but stop with the team needs time too gel. plenty of teams made changes and none had the time to gel. the niners had a complete change in the coaching staff along players and they seem to be doing fine.

[ball in the baskett]

Originally Posted by smeagle

nobody has down played the team's success in the regular season but it's been 13yrs of coming up short and there is only ONE common donominator on the team - reid. he's already going to be here next year. i have excepted that and i hope beyond hope he finally pulls it together but stop with the team needs time too gel. plenty of teams made changes and none had the time to gel. the niners had a complete change in the coaching staff along players and they seem to be doing fine.

Another reason all those years coming up short was donvoan and in 2008 the defense collapsed. Mcnabb thew a Td to jackson with not much time left on the clock and the cards went right down the field and scored. So many things are the reason for all those shortcomings. You may be right it could help but who that is out there would you choose as our head coach??