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[Mike]

you got a real long way to go kid.

[86WARD]

He may have a long way to go, but I like the thinking and attitude he has right now...just stay off the drugs.....

[davematthews3]

Very unlikely. You aren't half of Hines and he isn't even in the HOF convo.

[86WARD]

He hasn't played half the time Hines has either...

[davematthews3]

Yea but he hasn't shown to have the ability of Hines either. Don't you agree Ward.

[ball in the baskett]

Could happen hes only played 3 years but he hasent gone over a 1000 yards yet has alot of work to do.

[86WARD]

Originally Posted by davematthews3

Yea but he hasn't shown to have the ability of Hines either. Don't you agree Ward.

He's still young.

Ward is entering his 12th year. Holmes is entering his fourth.

Holmes is putting up much better numbers through three seasons than Hines did...granted Holmes has a better team and surroundings than Hines did, but the point is that it is too early to say that Holmes won't be a great player...

I see no reason you couldn't put Hines Ward into a Hall of Fame conversation...he's going to have numbers just as good and better than some of the current members, he's got two Super Bowl rings, a Super Bowl MVP, All-Pro Selections, Pro-Bowls. I don't know if he deserves to be in the Hall of Fame, but he'll be in the conversation when he retires.

[davematthews3]

Yea I guess he will be in the Convo because of some of the guys in the HOF but to me the HOF should be reserved for the Elite of the Elite and Hines is a level below that for me personally.

[nastynate184]

i like the attitude keep working on your game